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-Mike Taylor skrev:
-> Per M. Hansen writes:
->
->>>> As you can see there are people out there who are waiting for
->>>> IRSpy. :-) How is the work progeressing?
->>>>
->>> Looking quite nice. I'll put a copy of the web interface up on
->>> test so you can see how it's coming along.
->>>
->>
->> Sounds great, looking forward to see it.
->>
->
-> You can now see the work-in-progress at
-> http://irspy.indexdata.com/
->
-> If you get Unknown Host for that address, it's because the DNS change
-> hasn't propagated to you yet. Until then, make an entry in your local
-> hosts table pointing the hostname to 213.150.43.14 (test).
->
-> Of course, be aware that the UI is not finished! The biggest gap at
-> the moment is that you can't see the results of any of the tests (at
-> least, not without reading the Apache logs :-)
-Look great, Mike.
-
- I have a few comments:
-
- * In the Add target screen I had envisioned a lot more fields for
- entering data about the server. First of all we need a Name field.
- Second it think we should have a section with additional info
- about the target, like URL to hosting org. Email to technical
- contact (that is the mail we use to send mails to when we
- encounter a problem with the server), Username and password, Type
- of library (probably a dropdown with, Academic, Public, Corporate,
- Special, National, Education, Other) and Country.
- * In the display of the targets you should have room or at least
- some way of showing this additional info. Maybe some kind of mouse
- over or popup.
- * In the target display, eg. under R the display of non ASCII
- characters goes wrong.
-
-Then I have some questions:
-
- * How are you going to handle targets that has (permanent) errors?
- Will they be marked or excluded from the list?
- * How are you going to handle email notification of technical
- contact persons with targets that has permanent errors?
- * Have you thought about a statistics page like in Z-Spy?
- * When added a target, can you handle targets with multiple
- databases? How do you write the database names in the inputbox?
- * When adding a new target do you have a check if the target is
- there already, maybe registered with the IP instead of the hostname?
- * Should we get a designer to give the site an overhaul?
-
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-Subject: Re: Target classifications
-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 12:41:37 +0100
-
-Per M. Hansen writes:
- > > You can now see the work-in-progress at
- > > http://irspy.indexdata.com/
- >
- > Look great, Mike.
- >
- > I have a few comments:
-
-Thanks for these.
-
- > * In the Add target screen I had envisioned a lot more fields for
- > entering data about the server. First of all we need a Name field.
- > Second it think we should have a section with additional info
- > about the target, like URL to hosting org. Email to technical
- > contact (that is the mail we use to send mails to when we
- > encounter a problem with the server), Username and password, Type
- > of library (probably a dropdown with, Academic, Public, Corporate,
- > Special, National, Education, Other) and Country.
-
-Yep, most or all of that fits into the ZeeRex record. The current
-version doesn't have any of it, because it's using the IRSpy ability
-to quietly add a new record as a side-effect of running the tests on a
-not-previously-known target; but when I do the proper "Add a target"
-page, it'll have a lot more spaces. Also, the option of uploading a
-pre-made ZeeRex record.
-
- > * In the display of the targets you should have room or at least
- > some way of showing this additional info. Maybe some kind of mouse
- > over or popup.
-
-Hadn't thought of those approaches -- I was just going to have a
-"[Details]" link. IIRC, mouseover is easy to do with compliant XHTML
-(which is what I use anyway) so maybe I'll try it that way.
-
- > * In the target display, eg. under R the display of non ASCII
- > characters goes wrong.
-
-Oh *%^$! Freakin' character-sets! :-)
-
-Thanks, I'll look into that.
-
- > Then I have some questions:
- >
- > * How are you going to handle targets that has (permanent) errors?
- > Will they be marked or excluded from the list?
-
-Open to discussion. The first question I suppose is what would count
-as "permanent" -- no response for six months?
-
- > * How are you going to handle email notification of technical
- > contact persons with targets that has permanent errors?
-
-Easily enough for targets whose ZeeRex records have a contact email in
-them! For others, I guess falling back to <hostmaster@domain> is the
-best we can do automatically?
-
- > * Have you thought about a statistics page like in Z-Spy?
-
-Patience, my pretty!
-
- > * When added a target, can you handle targets with multiple
- > databases? How do you write the database names in the
- > inputbox?
-
-In ZeeRex terms, each target is a single database -- so a Z-server
-that has multiple databases would register each of them as a separate
-target that just happens to have the same host and port as its
-buddies.
-
- > * When adding a new target do you have a check if the target is
- > there already, maybe registered with the IP instead of the
- > hostname?
-
-Nope. Do you think I should?
-
- > * Should we get a designer to give the site an overhaul?
-
-Given how far over time (and so over budget!) we already are, I
-wouldn't have thought so. But once it's all working functionally, we
-can revisit that and figure out what we want to do with the cosmetics.
-
-(What's wrong with it, anyway? Does it need a Hot Chick in the banner
-area at the top?)
-
- _/|_ ___________________________________________________________________
-/o ) \/ Mike Taylor <mike@indexdata.com> http://www.miketaylor.org.uk
-)_v__/\ "In JP III, scientists recreate the actual dino killer meteorite
- from glassy fragments found near somewhere difficult to spell
- in South America - evil bad people launch the meteor into space
- and disaster ensues" - Derek Tearne
-
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-Mike Taylor skrev:
-> Per M. Hansen writes:
-> > > You can now see the work-in-progress at
-> > > http://irspy.indexdata.com/
-> >
-> > Look great, Mike.
-> >
-> > I have a few comments:
->
-> Thanks for these.
->
-> > * In the Add target screen I had envisioned a lot more fields for
-> > entering data about the server. First of all we need a Name field.
-> > Second it think we should have a section with additional info
-> > about the target, like URL to hosting org. Email to technical
-> > contact (that is the mail we use to send mails to when we
-> > encounter a problem with the server), Username and password, Type
-> > of library (probably a dropdown with, Academic, Public, Corporate,
-> > Special, National, Education, Other) and Country.
->
-> Yep, most or all of that fits into the ZeeRex record. The current
-> version doesn't have any of it, because it's using the IRSpy ability
-> to quietly add a new record as a side-effect of running the tests on a
-> not-previously-known target; but when I do the proper "Add a target"
-> page, it'll have a lot more spaces. Also, the option of uploading a
-> pre-made ZeeRex record.
->
-> > * In the display of the targets you should have room or at least
-> > some way of showing this additional info. Maybe some kind of mouse
-> > over or popup.
->
-> Hadn't thought of those approaches -- I was just going to have a
-> "[Details]" link. IIRC, mouseover is easy to do with compliant XHTML
-> (which is what I use anyway) so maybe I'll try it that way.
->
-> > * In the target display, eg. under R the display of non ASCII
-> > characters goes wrong.
->
-> Oh *%^$! Freakin' character-sets! :-)
->
-> Thanks, I'll look into that.
->
-> > Then I have some questions:
-> >
-> > * How are you going to handle targets that has (permanent) errors?
-> > Will they be marked or excluded from the list?
->
-> Open to discussion. The first question I suppose is what would count
-> as "permanent" -- no response for six months?
->
-In Z-Spy we contact the administrator if the target is down 3 times in a
-row, which in praxis means 3 days in a row, and that has worked well
-over the years. This has to be configurable of course. In Z-Spy, we do
-not fall back to administrator/hostmaster/info@domain, but that is nice
-idea.
-> > * How are you going to handle email notification of technical
-> > contact persons with targets that has permanent errors?
->
-> Easily enough for targets whose ZeeRex records have a contact email in
-> them! For others, I guess falling back to <hostmaster@domain> is the
-> best we can do automatically?
->
-> > * Have you thought about a statistics page like in Z-Spy?
->
-> Patience, my pretty!
->
-Ok, just checking :-)
-> > * When added a target, can you handle targets with multiple
-> > databases? How do you write the database names in the
-> > inputbox?
->
-> In ZeeRex terms, each target is a single database -- so a Z-server
-> that has multiple databases would register each of them as a separate
-> target that just happens to have the same host and port as its
-> buddies.
->
-Sounds OK, but wont you get the same problem as Z-Spy, where it is very
-hard to display this target as one server with multiple databases under,
-as in one line in the display? Wouldn't you need to have each database
-on a new line and the user would then have to discover by her self that
-say line 5, 6 and 7 is actually one server with different databases.
-> > * When adding a new target do you have a check if the target is
-> > there already, maybe registered with the IP instead of the
-> > hostname?
->
-> Nope. Do you think I should?
->
-Yes, otherwise the database will get full of doubles.
-> > * Should we get a designer to give the site an overhaul?
->
-> Given how far over time (and so over budget!) we already are, I
-> wouldn't have thought so. But once it's all working functionally, we
-> can revisit that and figure out what we want to do with the cosmetics.
->
-You are probably right.
-> (What's wrong with it, anyway? Does it need a Hot Chick in the banner
-> area at the top?)
->
-My experience is that a nice design is essential for how the customer
-evaluates the software. If it looks nice the software is also more
-likely to be evaluated as high quality. Your design is not ugly or
-anything but is obvious that is not something that has been spend a lot
-of time on, but lets keep it that way for the time being.
-
---
-Per
-> _/|_ ___________________________________________________________________
-> /o ) \/ Mike Taylor <mike@indexdata.com> http://www.miketaylor.org.uk
-> )_v__/\ "In JP III, scientists recreate the actual dino killer meteorite
-> from glassy fragments found near somewhere difficult to spell
-> in South America - evil bad people launch the meteor into space
-> and disaster ensues" - Derek Tearne
->
->
->
-
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